| Author Interview The Christian World of The HobbitBy Hannah Goodwyn CBN.com Senior Producer
 CBN.com -  J.R.R. Tolkien's story about 'the one ring' doesn't start with Frodo Baggins as told in The Lord of the  Rings. Before Frodo and Sam, Gandalf  and Bilbo, along with a band of 13 dwarves, have a grand adventure to recover a  lost inheritance. Bilbo's tale is the subject of Peter Jackson's latest trilogy based on Tolkien's The Hobbit. (Jackson's third installment, The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies, formerly known as The Hobbit: There and Back Again, releases in December 17, 2014).  Author Devin Brown  shares his thoughts on the life, faith and work of novelist J.R.R. Tolkien in his new book, The  Christian World of The Hobbit. Here are excerpts from an interview CBN.com  recently did with the Tolkien expert before the release of the first Hobbit movie: Hannah  Goodwyn: What was J.R.R. Tolkien's faith background?  Devin  Brown: Tolkien was responsible for bringing C.S. Lewis  to faith. That's one of the greatest unknown stories to the world. Here's  Tolkien who was the real deal when it came to being a believer. He didn't just  talk the talk, he walked the walk, but he did it in a very quiet way. He didn't  write books called Mere Christianity or anything like that, but he lived  it.  He was Roman Catholic. His mom converted; she had  been an Anglican. His dad died. So, he went with her in the Catholic faith and  was very devout, very pious. That said, when he helped bring Lewis to  Christianity—he didn't bring him to Catholicism, he brought him to  Christianity. Certainly, his commitment to Christ was first and his  denomination second. But, yeah, he was very pious, went to church not just  every Sunday, but often every day. He was one of those kind of people, that I  don't know that very many of them exist anymore.  If you read his letters, he's very concerned, like  all parents are, that his children really keep the faith, really have the faith  first. His commitment to Jesus was just rock-solid; and he couldn't be  separated from who he was. HG:  Your book states that Tolkien didn't purposely write The Hobbit or The  Lord of the Rings with Christian messages in mind. DB: There is a famous letter where he says, The Lord of the Rings...  someone had written about it, is a fundamentally Christian work, unconscious  at first. But then he has this other line that I've thought a lot about, "but  conscious in the revisions." If you know anything about it, it took him 12  years to write. So, over the revisions, and then he goes back and revises The  Hobbit to match it up. So, this idea that he didn't consciously make it  Christian is true at first. But as he revised it, he certainly did.  People say, "Look, God's not mentioned in The  Hobbit or Lord of the Rings. There's no churches, no priest, no  Bible. There's no Jesus. How can you say it's Christian?" And I said, "Here's  the deal. You can't see that it's Christian because you live in the Christian  world where there is right and wrong and there is truth. I don't know if you  know any friends who don't believe that there's right or wrong and don't  believe there's such a thing as truth. That's the non-Christian world." I mean,  that's the world without God.  In Tolkien's Middle-earth, there is a right or  wrong. There is a goodness. There's a providence.  HG:  In The Christian World of The Hobbit, you talk how fiction is usually to  entertain us, but that Tolkien had a serious purpose behind it.  DB: Yes. So, you're going to run into people, and I run into people all of the  time, who think that The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings are  some sort of literary equivalent of Dungeons & Dragons,  entertaining, but nothing more.  W.H. Auden was a great poet; and W.H. Auden was a  huge Tolkien fan and was one of the first to see, "Hey, this is really  amazing!" So, he writes a review for the New York Times, and he says,  "Look, you think this is a book about imaginary dwarves and elves and hobbits."  And he says, "This is about us." And that's the quote, it's what Auden, in this  wonderful way says. He says, "In Tolkien's fiction, he holds the mirror up to  the only nature that he knows, which is human nature. He shows us the human  heart. He shows us ourselves, as we struggle to decide what's right and wrong,  and we struggle to do it, after we figure it out."  Then Lewis, who also wrote a couple reviews of each  of the books, in his review of—it's called the dethronement of hearts, so it  must be The Return of the King, he said, "Everybody says, 'Well, if  you've got something to say about human nature, why do you put it in  Middle-earth? Why don't you set it like our contemporary studio?'" He says,  "There's something about moving it into this Middle-earth that helps us see it  more clearly." And it's true, right? Lewis himself had that same experience. He  said, "Look, some of you went to a great Sunday school or a great church.  That's wonderful. That wasn't my case, I went to one that, at least maybe it  was me, was boring." The Christian story boring? How can that be? And he said,  "I hoped through the Narnia stories to recast it without what it was bad  for me… Its stained glass associations, to really bring it to its full potency  for the first time.  Tolkien does the same thing. He casts this idea of  right and wrong, and all of these other what I would call, "Christian aspects"  into Middle-earth. Where, somehow because they're not in our world, we see them  more clearly, we feel them more powerfully, and we, oddly enough, identify with  them. Bilbo and Frodo are not humans. They're hobbits. We're humans, not  hobbits; but what we aren't, we're all the same.  HG: The Hobbit started with one sentence, didn't it? DB: The story everyone tells, and I think it must be true; he's got his grading  pen. In his creative, somewhat eccentric mind, he writes on this page. "In the  hole in the ground, there lived the hobbit." So if he had been rich, didn't  need to grade, or didn't have so many, or hadn't been so tired, or didn't have  this blank page, he wouldn't have had that sentence. Once he has this sentence,  he says, "My mind likes to make up, find out, where did that name of hobbit  come from?" So, he makes up a story to tell where hobbits come from. He starts The  Hobbit in the '30s, and it's an interesting story.  He likes to tell his stories to his kids, so The  Hobbit was originally told to his kids there in the Oxford suburbs. Then his friends, Lewis and  the rest of the inklings, say, "We like this story, you ought to read it to  us." So he reads it to them, and eventually they say, "You should publish  this."  There's  a famous Tolkien letter where he said, "The debt that I owe to Lewis is  unpayable. For long he was my only audience, and but for him, I would never have  brought this whole project to completion. He was the one who convinced me that  my stuff might be interesting to others, besides our little group here."  So,  he encouraged him to submit The Hobbit, and  it was quite a success, and they wanted a sequel. So, he starts on this new Hobbit; they called it the New Hobbit. Well, before long it grows out of control, it's not going to be that old story.  There's not another Bilbo story, we have to tell it about Frodo. It becomes Lord of the Rings; it takes over. He  quits twice, and twice Lewis comes and says, "Tolkers, where's your next  chapter of the New Hobbit?" He says, "I'm done with that." "No, no, no,"  in a British way, he says, "Don't leave me hanging." He says, "I got a picture.  I don't know where he stops. We don't know that." But it's like, "Merry and  Pippin just got kidnapped by the Orcs, Sam and Frodo just got crossed the  river, Boromir is dying in Aragorn's arms. You're going to leave me hanging  here? You've got to finish it. This is going to be your great work."  HG:  People who haven't read the books probably remember Bilbo's name from Peter  Jackson's The Lord of the Rings trilogy. But The Hobbit is his story. What are the lessons we learn from his adventure? DB: Everyone who's seen The Lord of the Rings, knows that Bilbo was the one  who found the Ring, originally from Gollum. In Lord of the Rings, he's  writing the story of his adventure, "There and Back Again". He's this guy who's  writing the red book. But The Hobbit is his story by himself. Frodo  isn't around, he hasn't been born yet; he hasn't entered the scene. And so,  Gandalf shows up, looking for someone who will go on an adventure with these  dwarves; and of course, Gandalf is this emissary. Someone has sent him, we  don't know who, but somebody big. Someone who loves Middle-earth and cares for  Middle-earth, and that's why he's been sent. Clearly these dwarves are going to  need somebody's assistance.  I love the Christian theme, "Not by power, nor by  might." So, Bilbo's not very powerful, not very mighty, and he's going to help  make this mission accomplishment. Here's the Christian thing I think about it,  is the task that God has called us to, they're called to help other people, and  in helping other people, we help ourselves. Someone asked somebody a question,  "Does the Christian hero go out to save the world or to save himself?" The  answer is both. In saving the world and dying to save the world, he saves  himself.  So, Bilbo when we meet him, he's in his hobbit home.  He's comfortable. He doesn't like adventures. He calls them nasty, disturbing  things that make you late for dinner, and that sums him up. He doesn't like  unpredictability. He doesn't like being disturbed. He doesn't like being late  for dinner. When he runs off, he runs off without his pocket handkerchief.  What's lovely, and people need to read this, it's not that he has to give up  his tea, which he loves, and his pocket handkerchiefs and his waistcoat, but  he's a slave to them. He can't bear to be without them.  At the end, when you get to the last chapter, he's  got an even nicer waistcoat on, if you read carefully. He's got a red silk  handkerchief that Elrond gave him, and then Gandalf shows up. He says, "Come on  and have a tea, and let's have a pipe together." All of the things he loved in  the beginning. This is the story where he renounces them, and leads some sort  of hired life. But all of the good things in life that God has given him are  still his and even better, but now he's not enslaved to them. He delights in  them, but does not have to have them.  HG:  What do you think kids and adults both could benefit from by reading this book? DB: Besides all of these lessons that are quite encouraging is Bilbo never becomes  Bard the Bowman. In other words, he doesn't do anything that you or I couldn't  do if we tried really hard. At the end of the day, he has to work up some  courage, but it's not courage that he doesn't have more than you or I could  work up, and he has to have faith.  He  just does what he can. So this idea of God uses the meek and lonely, yeah, just  like you and just like me. At the very last line, Gandalf says to him that all  these—they're talking about this prophecy coming true. He said, "Oh my gosh, I  was part of that." He says, "Yes." Now, you're a small part of it." He says,  "Well, thank goodness, I couldn't stand anymore." But the answer is that  Bilbo's story is one thread in a great tapestry, just like all of ours. It's  not something we're living on our own, and the fact that it's a thread in a  tapestry, actually makes history I think more magnificent, just like our story.  Without us, the tapestry's not complete. We have our own special part to play,  and our story is part of a larger story, and without us, that story can't be  written. So, that's one of my favorite themes, and I think that must be one of  Tolkien's themes, using the lowly to confound the mighty because he returns to  the exact story in The Lord of the Rings. We have four hobbits, each quite lowly, but accomplishing something  spectacular, but not by power, nor by might.  
  Hannah   Goodwyn serves as   the Family and Entertainment producer for CBN.com. For more articles and information, visit Hannah's bio page.
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